[CO] What do I need to know about setting up an S-corp?
The IRS doesn’t give a single number; “reasonable salary” = what someone in your role would be paid:
- Consider industry pay (e.g., data engineer/scraping contractor in your market), your duties (hands-on vs. managerial), and company profits.
- Common benchmark: 40–60% of net profit as W-2 salary, remainder as S-Corp distributions.
- Red flags for audits: salaries that are too low (e.g., $10k on $200k profit) or no salary.
S-Corp admin to expect:
- Run payroll with withholdings; quarterly payroll filings (Form 941); year-end W-2; unemployment insurance.
- Many use Gusto/ADP/QuickBooks Payroll (~$40–$100/month).
- File 1120-S annually; issue yourself a K-1.
- Budget for a CPA ($1k–$2k/yr), typically offset by tax savings at higher profits.
- Potential benefits: solo 401(k), certain health reimbursements (special rules for >2% shareholders).
Formation steps for the new entity:
- File Articles of Organization in Colorado.
- Get a new EIN.
- Make S-Corp election (Form 2553) within 75 days of formation (or by next year’s deadline).
- Keep your existing freelance LLC as a disregarded entity if you like, and run the new one as the S-Corp.
Legal risk notes for scraping (high level):
- CFAA (18 U.S.C. § 1030): Risk if access is “without authorization”—e.g., behind logins/paywalls or bypassing technical blocks.
- Terms of Service (ToS): Violations can lead to breach-of-contract/unfair competition claims, even if not criminal.
- Copyright/Database rights: Avoid reproducing proprietary or creative content at scale.
- Privacy laws (GDPR/CCPA, etc.): Be careful collecting or selling personal data (emails/phones/locations).
Lower-risk practices:
- Stick to public web pages (no login walls/paid content).
- Respect robots.txt (not binding, but shows good faith).
- Throttle requests to avoid service disruption claims.
- Aim for transformative use (analytics/insights, not republishing raw data).
- Avoid sensitive personal info unless you have clear legal grounds/consent.
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I’m starting a data scraping company and I have questions about LLC, S-Corp, and making sure I’m setting things up properly.
Lexi, Chatbot
I understand starting a data scraping company can be complex. What specific concerns do you have regarding the formation of your LLC or S-Corp?
It’s just me. I want to know if choosing an LLC and filing as an S-Corp is the best choice for me.
Lexi, Chatbot
Have you already taken any steps, like registering your company or consulting any professionals?
I already have an LLC I work under as a freelancer (in my own name). I was thinking about registering a second LLC for this new company. I wanted to ask about that too.
Lexi, Chatbot
Is there anything else the corporate lawyer should know?
No.
Queeneth E. Esq
Hello. My name is Queeneth, an attorney with 8+ years of experience. Which state does your question pertain to?
I’m in Colorado, but I will be selling online to all states.
Queeneth E. Esq
Thank you. Here’s an overview:
- LLC (single-member, default tax): Easy setup/maintenance. Taxed on Schedule C. All net profit subject to self-employment tax (15.3%).
- LLC taxed as S-Corp (via IRS election): Still an LLC legally, just taxed differently. You pay yourself a reasonable W-2 salary (payroll taxes apply). Profits above that are distributions not subject to SE tax. More admin: payroll setup, quarterly filings (e.g., Form 941), year-end W-2; usually use a payroll service.
- When S-Corp makes sense: Often once net profit ≥ ~$60k. Below that, admin costs can outweigh tax savings.
- One LLC vs. two: You can run multiple lines under one LLC (use DBAs and clean books).
- Consider a separate LLC if: different liability profile (scraping: contracts/IP/compliance), separate brand, or you want clean financial separation. Each additional LLC adds cost/filings/bookkeeping.
- Selling online nationwide: Usually no foreign registration unless you have physical presence (employees/office/warehouse) in other states.
- Taxes (high-level): Many states don’t tax pure digital services, but rules vary; Colorado generally doesn’t tax most digital services. Income tax is generally where you’re domiciled (Colorado).
- Rule of thumb: Under ~$60k net: stay default LLC for simplicity. Expecting ~$100k+ net: consider LLC + S-Corp election.
- Scraping carries legal risks (CFAA/ToS/IP/privacy), so a separate LLC for the scraping brand can be prudent.
Is there anything else I should know? I’ll move forward with a brand-new LLC and elect S-Corp. Also, what is a reasonable salary?
Queeneth E. Esq
The IRS doesn’t give a single number; “reasonable salary” = what someone in your role would be paid:
- Consider industry pay (e.g., data engineer/scraping contractor in your market), your duties (hands-on vs. managerial), and company profits.
- Common benchmark: 40–60% of net profit as W-2 salary, remainder as S-Corp distributions.
- Red flags for audits: salaries that are too low (e.g., $10k on $200k profit) or no salary.
S-Corp admin to expect:
- Run payroll with withholdings; quarterly payroll filings (Form 941); year-end W-2; unemployment insurance.
- Many use Gusto/ADP/QuickBooks Payroll (~$40–$100/month).
- File 1120-S annually; issue yourself a K-1.
- Budget for a CPA ($1k–$2k/yr), typically offset by tax savings at higher profits.
- Potential benefits: solo 401(k), certain health reimbursements (special rules for >2% shareholders).
Formation steps for the new entity:
- File Articles of Organization in Colorado.
- Get a new EIN.
- Make S-Corp election (Form 2553) within 75 days of formation (or by next year’s deadline).
- Keep your existing freelance LLC as a disregarded entity if you like, and run the new one as the S-Corp.
Legal risk notes for scraping (high level):
- CFAA (18 U.S.C. § 1030): Risk if access is “without authorization”—e.g., behind logins/paywalls or bypassing technical blocks.
- Terms of Service (ToS): Violations can lead to breach-of-contract/unfair competition claims, even if not criminal.
- Copyright/Database rights: Avoid reproducing proprietary or creative content at scale.
- Privacy laws (GDPR/CCPA, etc.): Be careful collecting or selling personal data (emails/phones/locations).
Lower-risk practices:
- Stick to public web pages (no login walls/paid content).
- Respect robots.txt (not binding, but shows good faith).
- Throttle requests to avoid service disruption claims.
- Aim for transformative use (analytics/insights, not republishing raw data).
- Avoid sensitive personal info unless you have clear legal grounds/consent.
Thanks.
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