[OK] [OK] What can a court decide from motions alone?
I understand your concern, and you’re absolutely right to focus on the interplay between Rule 2.9(C) of the Oklahoma Code of Judicial Conduct and your due process rights. Let me break this down into two parts:
What a Court Can Decide on Motions Alone
In civil proceedings, judges often resolve procedural or preliminary issues through motions, without requiring live testimony. These include:
- Motions to dismiss (testing legal sufficiency of the pleadings).
- Motions for summary judgment (decided on pleadings, affidavits, and admissible evidence, but not credibility disputes).
- Discovery motions (compelling or limiting discovery).
- Motions in limine (evidence admissibility rulings).
In these contexts, the court’s job is not to weigh credibility but to determine whether there are factual disputes that warrant a trial. So, the judge can and must make rulings “from the papers” when the rules allow it.
What Must Wait for Trial (Evidence and Testimony)
Anything that depends on:
- Credibility determinations (who is telling the truth),
- Weighing conflicting evidence, or
- Fact-intensive disputes not appropriate for summary judgment,
must wait for a hearing or trial. Rule 2.9(C) reinforces this: a judge cannot go outside the record or “fill in” facts based on personal assumptions. Instead, the judge must rely solely on the admissible evidence presented in the proceedings.
Due Process Concerns with the Judge’s Comment
The troubling part here is the judge’s statement that “you are the reason this case is high conflict” before hearing any evidence. From a due process perspective:
- Appearance of bias: A judge is required not only to be impartial but to appear impartial. A premature statement like that could suggest the judge has prejudged you or accepted the opposing party’s framing without evidence.
- Independent investigation: If the judge formed this opinion without evidence presented in court, it raises a Rule 2.9(C) concern.
- Disqualification: Oklahoma law allows disqualification if there is reasonable cause to believe impartiality might be questioned. The fact that the chief judge accepted and scheduled review of your application means your concern is legally recognized as a serious one.
Even if the judge insists that it was a casual remark, a transcript showing the judge’s prejudgment before evidence is heard gives weight to your argument that this is a due process violation. Courts have held that litigants are entitled to a decision-maker who comes into the case with an open mind.
How This Strengthens Your Argument
You can frame this not only as a Judicial Code of Ethics violation but also as a due process issue: the judge made a substantive finding on a contested issue (conflict attribution) without evidence.
That framing highlights that this isn’t just about a poor choice of words—it goes to the heart of fairness in adjudication.
I completely understand how upsetting this must be, especially since you have been litigating for 17 months and haven’t yet had the chance to properly present evidence. It’s natural to feel the judge’s comment undercuts your right to a fair and neutral decision-maker.
It may be wise to have an experienced Oklahoma appellate or judicial ethics attorney help sharpen your due process argument for the chief judge. You can find local attorneys through www.avvo.com, where you can filter by judicial ethics, civil procedure, or appellate practice.
Does this answer your question, and do you understand the answer completely? Please let me know if you have any follow-up questions or if anything in this answer was unclear, and I will be happy to help.
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I have a question about Rule 2.9(C): (C) A judge shall not investigate facts in a matter independently and shall consider only the evidence presented and any facts that may properly be judicially noticed. While a judge shall not independently investigate facts in a case and shall consider only the evidence presented, a judge may seek information of a general nature that does not bear on a disputed evidentiary fact or influence the judge’s opinion of the substantive merits of a specific case.
Lexi, Chatbot
I understand that you’re seeking clarity on the limitations of a judge’s independent investigation. Can you share more about the specific situation or case you are concerned about?
(1) What a court can decide from the motions alone and (2) what must wait for evidence at trial. This is exactly the tension in my case.
Lexi, Chatbot
Are you looking for guidance on how this rule may apply to a particular legal matter or proceeding?
No
Lexi, Chatbot
Is there anything else the lawyer should know before I connect you? Rest assured they’ll be able to help with your case.
Yes. Judicial Code of Ethics — basically what is proper adjudication. A judge prior to any hearing said that “you are the reason this case is high conflict,” but it was a new judge. There had been motions going for 17 months (because we tried to mediate the issues) but no appearance before the court to hear any evidence. The court made that comment at a status conference.
Blake
Hey there! I’m Blake, an attorney with many years of experience. Just so you are aware, this is a legal information-only site. No attorney-client relationship is formed from our conversation.
Regarding your situation, it seems like you’re dealing with a judge’s comment during a status conference without any evidence being heard yet. Have you considered how this might affect the proceedings or your strategy moving forward?
Yes, and I am well within the process. I am just trying to understand my argument better now that I have the transcript. I have moved to disqualify my judge. He denied. I submitted an application to the chief judge and she has accepted it and scheduled it. But the issue is—the judge made the comment prior to the hearing, at the status conference.
I had only appeared before him one time for three minutes (I dismissed a deficient discovery motion filed by my previous attorney), so we just went on our way. That was 12 months ago. I am also curious how much of a due process issue it is. I asked the court to clarify the comment/statement/finding (I argue—since it was a contested issue, the conflict).
He refused to clarify, and I initiated disqualification the next day. At the disqualification hearing, the court basically said—one sec.
Blake
It sounds like you’re navigating a complex situation with the judge’s comments and the disqualification process. I understand how frustrating this must be.
Could you let me know which state or jurisdiction this case is in? Also, could you clarify what specific due process concerns you have regarding the judge’s comment at the status conference?
Does that make sense?
Blake
Yes, it does make sense. It sounds like you’re dealing with a challenging situation. Could you let me know which state or jurisdiction this case is in? This will help me understand the legal context better.
Oklahoma.
Blake
Thanks for letting me know you’re in Oklahoma. Could you clarify what specific due process concerns you have regarding the judge’s comment at the status conference?
Blake
I understand your concern, and you’re absolutely right to focus on the interplay between Rule 2.9(C) of the Oklahoma Code of Judicial Conduct and your due process rights. Let me break this down into two parts:
What a Court Can Decide on Motions Alone
In civil proceedings, judges often resolve procedural or preliminary issues through motions, without requiring live testimony. These include:
- Motions to dismiss (testing legal sufficiency of the pleadings).
- Motions for summary judgment (decided on pleadings, affidavits, and admissible evidence, but not credibility disputes).
- Discovery motions (compelling or limiting discovery).
- Motions in limine (evidence admissibility rulings).
In these contexts, the court’s job is not to weigh credibility but to determine whether there are factual disputes that warrant a trial. So, the judge can and must make rulings “from the papers” when the rules allow it.
What Must Wait for Trial (Evidence and Testimony)
Anything that depends on:
- Credibility determinations (who is telling the truth),
- Weighing conflicting evidence, or
- Fact-intensive disputes not appropriate for summary judgment,
must wait for a hearing or trial. Rule 2.9(C) reinforces this: a judge cannot go outside the record or “fill in” facts based on personal assumptions. Instead, the judge must rely solely on the admissible evidence presented in the proceedings.
Due Process Concerns with the Judge’s Comment
The troubling part here is the judge’s statement that “you are the reason this case is high conflict” before hearing any evidence. From a due process perspective:
- Appearance of bias: A judge is required not only to be impartial but to appear impartial. A premature statement like that could suggest the judge has prejudged you or accepted the opposing party’s framing without evidence.
- Independent investigation: If the judge formed this opinion without evidence presented in court, it raises a Rule 2.9(C) concern.
- Disqualification: Oklahoma law allows disqualification if there is reasonable cause to believe impartiality might be questioned. The fact that the chief judge accepted and scheduled review of your application means your concern is legally recognized as a serious one.
Even if the judge insists that it was a casual remark, a transcript showing the judge’s prejudgment before evidence is heard gives weight to your argument that this is a due process violation. Courts have held that litigants are entitled to a decision-maker who comes into the case with an open mind.
How This Strengthens Your Argument
You can frame this not only as a Judicial Code of Ethics violation but also as a due process issue: the judge made a substantive finding on a contested issue (conflict attribution) without evidence.
That framing highlights that this isn’t just about a poor choice of words—it goes to the heart of fairness in adjudication.
I completely understand how upsetting this must be, especially since you have been litigating for 17 months and haven’t yet had the chance to properly present evidence. It’s natural to feel the judge’s comment undercuts your right to a fair and neutral decision-maker.
It may be wise to have an experienced Oklahoma appellate or judicial ethics attorney help sharpen your due process argument for the chief judge. You can find local attorneys through www.avvo.com, where you can filter by judicial ethics, civil procedure, or appellate practice.
Does this answer your question, and do you understand the answer completely? Please let me know if you have any follow-up questions or if anything in this answer was unclear, and I will be happy to help.
Blake
I hope I was able to answer your question.
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